Comments on: Why Creationism Is So Flawed http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/ If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:17:48 +0000 By: moggy http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-78 moggy Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:10 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-78 And on a related note: "I can't explain it"... therefore God! And on a related note:

“I can’t explain it”… therefore God!

]]> By: Beren http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-67 Beren Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:20:59 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-67 My apologies for the multiple comments - I though it would be more readable than one long comment block of text. My apologies for the multiple comments - I though it would be more
readable than one long comment block of text.

]]> By: Beren http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-66 Beren Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:20:05 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-66 Because of the Bible, I know how to live a moral life. I know why I am here, and that I actually have meaning. I know that science is trustworthy, because God created a world that could be observed and understood. I know that logic is trustworthy, because all truth is God's truth and God never changes or contradicts Himself. I believe in the promises of God, and I live a life that is truly free and truly joyful. My guilt has been placed on the shoulders of Christ, and I am free of it forever. <b>Lastly, to Artolas -</b> if the big bang created the universe, what created the big bang? Unless mass is eternal, there has to be nothingness as some point. Instead of having mass as my source of truth and my god, I have God, who is eternal and thus required no creator. God does not need a beginning because He IS the beginning. He is not constrained by time because He created time. Because of the Bible, I know how to live a moral life. I know why I
am here, and that I actually have meaning. I know that science is
trustworthy, because God created a world that could be observed and
understood. I know that logic is trustworthy, because all truth is
God’s truth and God never changes or contradicts Himself. I believe
in the promises of God, and I live a life that is truly free and
truly joyful. My guilt has been placed on the shoulders of Christ,
and I am free of it forever. Lastly, to Artolas - if the big
bang created the universe, what created the big bang? Unless mass
is eternal, there has to be nothingness as some point. Instead of
having mass as my source of truth and my god, I have God, who is
eternal and thus required no creator. God does not need a beginning
because He IS the beginning. He is not constrained by time because
He created time.

]]> By: Beren http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-65 Beren Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:17:29 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-65 Scripture reveals something else as well. Though man has sinned and rebelled against the moral law set forth by God, and though man deserves punishment for this cosmic treason, God in His lovingkindness sent His own Son to live a sinless life and die in our stead, to deliver us from the wrath to come if we would only believe in Him and follow Him. Scripture reveals something else as well. Though man has sinned and
rebelled against the moral law set forth by God, and though man
deserves punishment for this cosmic treason, God in His
lovingkindness sent His own Son to live a sinless life and die in
our stead, to deliver us from the wrath to come if we would only
believe in Him and follow Him.

]]> By: Beren http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-64 Beren Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:17:01 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-64 Or consider what it means to be human. What are we? Is there a reason that humans are here, or are we here for no reason? What should we do with our lives? These questions have vexed philosophers throughout the ages. Evolution would tell us we are highly evolved creatures. We are meaningless in the long run, only out for our own pleasure. And if that is the case, why not just have a heyday and not care about it? Evolution as a theory devalues the human being. An example of evolutionary theory taken too far can be found in the Holocaust. Reasoning and logic on their own get us nowhere either. We cannot use logic or science as the foundations for how we know truth because they themselves are just instruments. How can we know the instruments are trustworthy? There must be a higher truth, a truth coming from a perfect being, the Creator of the universe. Do Christians have a foundation for morality? Yes, in Scripture. Do we understand why we are here and what our purpose is? That is given in Scripture too. We are made in the image of God. We are His special creation. Or consider what it means to be human. What are we? Is there a
reason that humans are here, or are we here for no reason? What
should we do with our lives? These questions have vexed
philosophers throughout the ages. Evolution would tell us we are
highly evolved creatures. We are meaningless in the long run, only
out for our own pleasure. And if that is the case, why not just
have a heyday and not care about it? Evolution as a theory devalues
the human being. An example of evolutionary theory taken too far
can be found in the Holocaust. Reasoning and logic on their own get
us nowhere either. We cannot use logic or science as the
foundations for how we know truth because they themselves are just
instruments. How can we know the instruments are trustworthy? There
must be a higher truth, a truth coming from a perfect being, the
Creator of the universe. Do Christians have a foundation for
morality? Yes, in Scripture. Do we understand why we are here and
what our purpose is? That is given in Scripture too. We are made in
the image of God. We are His special creation.

]]> By: Beren http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-63 Beren Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:16:15 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-63 Now you might say, "ok, let's say you are right. Let's say our reasoning is circular too, and we have science as the foundation in our epistemology. So what? Far better to have science than an imaginary being." But can science explain morality? Can we understand morality through observation? Isn't that man-defined morality? If so, how can we say murder is wrong, or stealing, or slavery? Why should we want what is good for society rather than satisfying ourselves and being the "fittest?" Science isn't a good foundation for morality. What about logic? Is that a good foundation for morality? Nope. Anyone can say that by their reasoning, murder is perfectly fine. There is no higher standard to be held to. Now you might say, “ok, let’s say you are right. Let’s say our
reasoning is circular too, and we have science as the foundation in
our epistemology. So what? Far better to have science than an
imaginary being.” But can science explain morality? Can we
understand morality through observation? Isn’t that man-defined
morality? If so, how can we say murder is wrong, or stealing, or
slavery? Why should we want what is good for society rather than
satisfying ourselves and being the “fittest?” Science isn’t a good
foundation for morality. What about logic? Is that a good
foundation for morality? Nope. Anyone can say that by their
reasoning, murder is perfectly fine. There is no higher standard to
be held to.

]]> By: Beren http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-62 Beren Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:14:24 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-62 To an extent, I agree with you. Many of the arguments that the creationists put forth are silly and do not really prove much. However, evolutionists have this same problem. Evolution has credibility as a theory? Ok. Yet we can clearly say the same about Intelligent Design. Theory status doesn't "prove" anything. You bring up the circular reasoning. With all respect, I think you need to understand here how epistemology works. Everyone, evolutionists and Christians alike, have a set of presuppositions that factor into what they believe and why they believe it. Many Christians place special revelation (the Bible) as their highest authority for determining what truth is. Many athiests and agnostics place things such as reasoning (logic) or science as their foundation in epistemology. We can argue, then, that everyone has circular reasoning. Christians believe the Bible is infallible and true because it was inspired by God... and it is the Bible that reveals God to us. Seems circular, doesn't it? Sure. After all, "If God created the world, who created God?" Compare with this: Athiests believe that science is the trustworthy means of finding knowledge because we have always found science to be trustworthy. That is, we have always observed that science is trustworthy. But saying such a thing means that we have to have science proving science's own validity - once again circular reasoning. The same applies to rationality. To say that logic is the means of finding truth requires us to use logic and reasoning to support it. These examples are in some ways an oversimplification - the "circle" of reasoning can get larger or smaller depending on how many components are in it, but regardless, it is still circular. To an extent, I agree with you. Many of the arguments that the
creationists put forth are silly and do not really prove much.
However, evolutionists have this same problem. Evolution has
credibility as a theory? Ok. Yet we can clearly say the same about
Intelligent Design. Theory status doesn’t “prove” anything. You
bring up the circular reasoning. With all respect, I think you need
to understand here how epistemology works. Everyone, evolutionists
and Christians alike, have a set of presuppositions that factor
into what they believe and why they believe it. Many Christians
place special revelation (the Bible) as their highest authority for
determining what truth is. Many athiests and agnostics place things
such as reasoning (logic) or science as their foundation in
epistemology. We can argue, then, that everyone has circular
reasoning. Christians believe the Bible is infallible and true
because it was inspired by God… and it is the Bible that reveals
God to us. Seems circular, doesn’t it? Sure. After all, “If God
created the world, who created God?” Compare with this: Athiests
believe that science is the trustworthy means of finding knowledge
because we have always found science to be trustworthy. That is, we
have always observed that science is trustworthy. But saying such a
thing means that we have to have science proving science’s own
validity - once again circular reasoning. The same applies to
rationality. To say that logic is the means of finding truth
requires us to use logic and reasoning to support it. These
examples are in some ways an oversimplification - the “circle” of
reasoning can get larger or smaller depending on how many
components are in it, but regardless, it is still circular.

]]> By: EveVillain http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-46 EveVillain Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:17:11 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-46 Also, their whole belief system is based on faith allowing them to escape the burden of proof. I agree, completely flawed. Also, because it is based on faith, it is part of a religion. 1st Amendment, blah blah blah. Can't they just send their kids to Sunday school to be brainwashed? Also, their whole belief system is based on faith allowing them to escape the burden of proof. I agree, completely flawed. Also, because it is based on faith, it is part of a religion. 1st Amendment, blah blah blah. Can’t they just send their kids to Sunday school to be brainwashed?

]]> By: SocalJake http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-39 SocalJake Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:35:42 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-39 Such a scam... I have better things to do than sit around worshipping an imaginary being... Think for yourself you puppets, you control what you do, plain and simple. And as for the gravity competition? No, scientists never claimed to invent it, they just explain it. Does your book explain it? Such a scam… I have better things to do than sit around worshipping an imaginary being… Think for yourself you puppets, you control what you do, plain and simple.

And as for the gravity competition? No, scientists never claimed to invent it, they just explain it. Does your book explain it?

]]> By: Artolas http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-38 Artolas Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:44:16 +0000 http://moggy.laceous.com/2007/09/19/why-creationism-is-so-flawed/#comment-38 Why Creationism Is So... Stupid! <strong>If God created the world ... who created God?</strong> Why Creationism Is So… Stupid!

If God created the world … who created God?

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